tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18220453.post7194067182314824845..comments2024-03-27T10:35:23.599+00:00Comments on THE VIEW FROM FEZ: Anti-Obama lobby throws Morocco to the wolvesAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15056882414512099956noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18220453.post-53802770761339836942010-06-28T17:05:49.584+00:002010-06-28T17:05:49.584+00:00I should just like to clarify further Khadija'...I should just like to clarify further Khadija's post. The two dear ladies she knew and respected, who brought up their (Moroccan)family in Ain Leuh from 1951 until approximately 1997, had nothing to do with the Village of Hope group which was recently expelled. As Khadija indicates, these ladies (Miss Doran and Miss Coats) were much loved and respected locally. They did not set out to acquire any children, but after some years eventually accepted that God wanted them to bring up those given over to them by loving Moroccan parents in difficulty. They never solicited money or publicised their Ain Leuh family in any way. They always welcomed the children's natural relatives. They wanted those of their children who still had need to be able to remain in the family home after their deaths, but it was taken over by Village of Hope ten years ago, and at the time that VoH was expelled, none of those remaining original children were being allowed to live on the property - not even in humble shacks - despite the pleas of their older siblings living elsewhere (totally ignored). VoH had long pulled down their family home and built big villas on the land, hugely luxurious compared with the relative poverty of many of their Moroccan neighbours.<br /><br />The kindest thing one can say about VoH is that their crass insensitivity beggars belief - that one of their personnel was observed peddling VoH calendars at Miss Doran's funeral in 2007, in full view of her grieving adult Moroccan children, is entirely characteristic. Whatever may be the political rights and wrongs of the present situation, it really is not surprising that the VoH was told to leave, or that many of the local villagers seem glad to see the back of them. <br /><br />The subsequent international outcry and protest encouraged by VoH has done nothing but harm. Some of us who used to live there previously have asked them and their 'supporters' to cease doing this for the sake of other vulnerable folk who may remain, but in their apparent arrogance they have ignored these requests. It is upsetting and frustrating that VoH, headed by Herman Boonstra, constantly traded on the reputations of Miss Doran and Miss Coats for its own ends, wrongly claiming that these two wonderful ladies 'started' the VoH in 1951, and openly putting up a plaque there with their pictures on, without their permission or that of their Moroccan children. Miss Doran and Miss Coats had the utmost respect for the Moroccan authorities. They would have been deeply distressed by the actions of VoH and its supporters, and we can only be grateful that they were and are unaware of these.Amiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18220453.post-12334395241670274112010-06-22T01:09:51.385+00:002010-06-22T01:09:51.385+00:00In Ain Leuh, people started to become sick of the ...In Ain Leuh, people started to become sick of the arrogance and brutal malice of VOH proselytizers, simply because they do not honour Muslims nor do they respect the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him.<br />It mattered not much to the VOH staff who was right or wrong. They neither knew nor cared that their corrupt chief has displeased his mentors overseas because he could not control his outpost. It mattered only that an entire population of 33 little Muslim kids had to be brainwashed. It was already an issue of Islam versus Zionist Christianity. The chief’s education had been very basic. He had learned the Biblical verses necessary for converting innocent poor Muslims, even though, it is said; he could not understand those verses well. The other estranged members of the institution knew nothing of the cold war between Herman, Errol, Chris and Eddie. But they were told that the Elites are great comrades now, which made perfect sense for the senseless.<br />Before the Evangelicals became mature, it was clear that they would still not do one thing that has always been impossible for them: UNITE. This caused much mumbling and groaning amongst the godfathers of the Evangelical mission in Ain Leuh and overseas, especially that they knew they wouldn’t survive another winter in Morocco. It was sheer nonsense for most of them: The landscape they see was completely shattered.<br />As patriotic Moroccans, VOH reminded us of the early colonists. They used to deliver one and only one message: “We were sent to you. Come with us: you may embark with us any time for happiness together, after pain, after long years of poverty. Make a prayer and this is our grant.”<br />VOH is history now. The wolf pack & the swineherd are finally “scattered” back to where they belong. <br /><br />http://proudainleuh.blogspot.com/Free Willhttp://proudainleuh.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18220453.post-24268475683028460102010-06-19T07:32:16.819+00:002010-06-19T07:32:16.819+00:00I have known, visited, befriended the kind souls t...I have known, visited, befriended the kind souls that ran the orphanage at Ain Leuh for several years in the late '70s and throughout the '80s. They were true Missionaries. The Government of Morocco gave the Missionaries free reign, including rearing the children in the Christian Faith. I have been away from Morocco (I am of Morrocan Berber descent) for many years, but visit occasionally. I am astonished at the "quality" of the "new missionaries" who I equate more with a Sect than a branch of Christianism: Super Evangelicals, extreme right (US), who are not loathe to use monetary compensation/support to convert. I know: I rode on the train from Fez to a town in the south that will remain unamed. I was tired and closed my eyes. US companions in the same Train car that we shared spoke freely about their "strategy", unaware that I could understand English. Freaky! There is a "Plan", and it is nefarious to Christianity foremost. As to "new converts", hey, the Evangelicals could stay, for all I care, as long as they wish. They are taken for a ride, and hopefully contribute to the Kingdom's economy.<br /><br />khadija Ouahmane, Brooklyn, NY, USAkhadijahttp://yahoo.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18220453.post-71340123523931980562010-06-15T15:24:44.305+00:002010-06-15T15:24:44.305+00:00Something very important here is that Freedom Hous...Something very important here is that Freedom House is a right-wing American organization that has a very, very narrow definition of "human rights." It's been hijacked by neocons.<br /><br />Basically in the wake of Amnesty International's exposure of the genocidal crimes of many of America's allies in the 80s, notably in Central America, the right took over FH and use it to push the notion that when American Christian right wingers get bounced from a country where they are trying to convert people to Christianity, this is as bad as killing tens of thousands of people who want to form a union or redistribute their arable land.<br /><br />Many people are probably confused between Amnesty International and Freedom House, which is exactly what the latter wants.<br /><br />Often I suspect that these Christians are receiving support either directly or indirectly from US intelligence agencies. They usually push a form of passive, individualized evangelical Christianity which is meant to counter social movements of the sort strengthened by, for example, Liberation Theology Catholicism or politicized Islam.<br /><br />Good for Morocco that they deport these people! Like Mark Twain (read *him* on the subject!), I consider this religious intrusion to be counter to the spirit of good American and world citizenship.<br /><br />I'll add some info by this article, which is far from the only dirt on Freedom House you'll find online:<br /><br />http://exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=8000&IBLOCK_ID=35Chris Randolphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14708787725894726540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18220453.post-88013917243873014412010-06-15T11:17:10.614+00:002010-06-15T11:17:10.614+00:00To Jack Wd,
Why don't you tell people that two...To Jack Wd,<br />Why don't you tell people that two Moroccan orphans were subjugated by Village of hope Evangelicals to an auction!! Here is the story from inside the Village of Hope:<br /><br />Multinational auction of Moroccan infants: Muslim infants on sale for the first time in history<br /><br />What is Village of hope! It is a plan. Moreover it is a conspirational, wicked representational effort reflecting the most iniquitous and devilish character of the talents, skills, abilities, and processes designed and implemented by Evangelicals to effectively operate in Muslim countries. Their efforts included affiliations, relationships, courtesy along with undercover destruction of the whole value system of Muslim countries, in our case Morocco. They have a keen eye on the end product of achieving goals, objectives, and effective results to meet the changing needs of poor, illiterate and even, at least to them, "benighted” Ishmaelites. Of course, within their so-called fellowship, the Evangelicals overseas provide instructional and supportive services which the masterminds of civilizational chaos and cross-cultural wickedness make use of in pursuit of their Machiavellian goals. <br /><br /><br />Chris Broadbent and his disciples were not merely charismatic superhuman Satans as some of us used to think. Rather, they were a horde of pathetic schizoid men who had a demented vision of “purifying” the gene pool of Morocco by inseminating hatred in little innocent Muslim children. They tried aimlessly to achieve their sick goals by exercising total control over their innocent subjects in the suburbs of Ain Leuh. Acts of brainwashing were cherished inside the destitution. In other words, their ambitions, backed by their psychic numbness, justified in their deranged minds all acts of cruelty.<br />A few years ago, a stunning children auction took place at the hearth of the Village of Hope three miles outside Ain Leuh, Morocco. Two little innocent orphans were put on the auction block. Word of the sale had spread throughout the Evangelical world for weeks, drawing potential buyers from the four corners of the world. Village of Hope institution and other lodging spaces were quickly appropriated by the influx of visitors. In the days running up to the auction, the VOH underwent daily inspections to inspect, evaluate and determine an appropriate price for the human merchandise on display.<br /><br />As Muslims, this is the first time we hear of children being sold. The rules of the auction stipulated that the kids would be sold to Evangelical "families" - defined as a husband and wife and any offspring. However, there was no guarantee that this rule would be adhered to in this case. The sale gained such renown that it attracted the attention of eminent evangelicals overseas, some of whom are descendants of the early Puritans.<br />We want to reveal to our readers the barbarity inherent in these proselytisers' ability to own and sell innocent little Muslim children. <br /><br />More news about VOH can be found at: http://proudainleuh.blogspot.com/Wald Lbladhttp://proudainleuh.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18220453.post-42365841252087367452010-06-14T19:43:56.045+00:002010-06-14T19:43:56.045+00:00What a wonderful and balanced discussion. Although...What a wonderful and balanced discussion. Although I support the Moriccan position I appreciate the range if views. Thank youKrista. Germanynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18220453.post-39168476320317665442010-06-14T14:04:17.217+00:002010-06-14T14:04:17.217+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.xoussefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16043074262858696228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18220453.post-92228717011750629392010-06-14T11:09:09.937+00:002010-06-14T11:09:09.937+00:00Unfortunately your correspondent has done exactly ...Unfortunately your correspondent has done exactly what the Moroccan gov't did which is to consider people guilty without any due process nor presentation of proof that these people broke the law nor were these people given any opportunity to defend their names against these accusations. It's quite surprising how far the acceptance of injustice can go when someone has their own agenda. I wonder how M. Ibn Warraq would feel if he was expelled from a country in the same way for certain values he holds? <br /> I have been following this situation very closely and these people were not just NGO workers but many were businessmen and teachers as well. I think it is quite logical for these congressional hearings to take place because if people coming into Morocco can be expelled at any time with no due process and no proof presented that they broke the law then it is unfair for foreign Christians to go and work and invest in Morocco without being warned of this huge risk. <br /> Due to the magnitude of this action (well over 100 foreign Christians being expelled) I think it is quite obvious that this is an anti-Christian action and not the breaking of proselytism laws as stated in in Morocco's own laws and which "Jack" so clearly stated. If Morocco's definition of proselytism has changed then they need to change their laws to reflect that but as it stands Morocco has no law against people discussing their faith with others. And if it is illegal for Christians to discuss their faith with Muslims (with no enticements) then Morocco should not be considered a country that embraces religious freedom since religious dialogue is at the core of the free exercise of one's faith.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18220453.post-33262253526295020692010-06-14T08:15:10.204+00:002010-06-14T08:15:10.204+00:00You are so right Jack.
As an atheist I look at all...You are so right Jack.<br />As an atheist I look at all religions as the same. The worship of a 'thing' in the hope that all the bad things we all do in our life will not get in the way of going to a nice place when we die. <br />Why do Muslims, Christians and Jews who all believe in basically the same 'god' worry about each others beliefs?<br />Live and let live!Piggynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18220453.post-69403948254487639042010-06-13T18:15:46.424+00:002010-06-13T18:15:46.424+00:00I think that what hasn't been clear from all o...I think that what hasn't been clear from all of this is what the definition of proselytism is according to Moroccan law. As I understand it, the law actually defines it as the paid or forced/coerced conversion of a Moroccan. I think it would be hard to indict those expelled if that is in fact that case. Secondly, you article said that these people "broke the law, it's as simple as that." If this is true, then there should have been no problem in providing them due process, presenting the evidence against them, and THEN expelling them. However, this has not been the case. No evidence has been presented against the now more than 100 Koreans, New Zealanders, English, French, American, Mexicans and other Latinos who have been expelled. If these people had broken the law, and been found guilty in a court of law, I would guess that this coming hearing would not be taking place.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07870563777775934729noreply@blogger.com